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    Can't get Ich to go away...

    Hey guys, it has been a long time since I dealt with Ich, and never in a fully planted tank.

    I had a break out 5 weeks ago in my 20L- luckily I noticed just before I added a new apisto pair.

    I read that I shouldnt use malachite green or methelyne blue because of the damage to the plants, so I am trying the Kordon "natural" remedy. I also raised the temp to 89 degrees.

    The Ich has slowed spreading, which is great- haven't lost any of the fish (kubotai rasbora and daisy rice fish)- but it won't go all the way away, either. There are still 2-3 spots left on about half the fish.

    Any suggestions on how to finally defeat it once and for all?

    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geektom View Post
    Hey guys, it has been a long time since I dealt with Ich, and never in a fully planted tank.

    I had a break out 5 weeks ago in my 20L- luckily I noticed just before I added a new apisto pair.

    I read that I shouldnt use malachite green or methelyne blue because of the damage to the plants, so I am trying the Kordon "natural" remedy. I also raised the temp to 89 degrees.

    The Ich has slowed spreading, which is great- haven't lost any of the fish (kubotai rasbora and daisy rice fish)- but it won't go all the way away, either. There are still 2-3 spots left on about half the fish.

    Any suggestions on how to finally defeat it once and for all?

    Not sure if ParaGuard treats ich as I don't have the bottle in front of me but I have used it a couple of years in a plants shrimp tank and have found it totally safe.

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    I always treat Ich with temperature and water changes. I have lost fish due to Ich only when I treat with Ich-X or Nox-Ich. I raise the temp over 85, usually to around 87 and keep it that way until I see the Ich go away. I also do daily water changes to remove as many of the cysts out of the water column as possible.
    I am currently having a bout with Ich on one of my tanks as well and this is what I am doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kole85 View Post
    I always treat Ich with temperature and water changes. I have lost fish due to Ich only when I treat with Ich-X or Nox-Ich. I raise the temp over 85, usually to around 87 and keep it that way until I see the Ich go away. I also do daily water changes to remove as many of the cysts out of the water column as possible.
    I am currently having a bout with Ich on one of my tanks as well and this is what I am doing.

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    I will step up the water changes and see if that helps tip the balance.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    I use ichx and heat. Slowly up the temperature to like 81-82ish and I dose ichX. But I underdose by 10gal and do the remaining 10gal the next day. So if its a 70gal, I dose 60gal worth, and then the next day I dose the 10gal worth. When I up the temperature I add an airstone. hotter water doesn't hold as much oxygen. So having a stong airstone is crucial for survival of the fish. I will leave the tank with the medicine and temp for about 10 days and then slowly drop the temperature. I actually do not do that many waterchanges unless I want to change medicines being used. Personally havent had to deal with Ich in awhile due to treating my fish with ichx whenever I introduce new fish. I will redose the entire tank even if there are no symptoms. Catching it early is always better than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kberg2498 View Post
    I use ichx and heat. Slowly up the temperature to like 81-82ish and I dose ichX. But I underdose by 10gal and do the remaining 10gal the next day. So if its a 70gal, I dose 60gal worth, and then the next day I dose the 10gal worth. When I up the temperature I add an airstone. hotter water doesn't hold as much oxygen. So having a stong airstone is crucial for survival of the fish. I will leave the tank with the medicine and temp for about 10 days and then slowly drop the temperature. I actually do not do that many waterchanges unless I want to change medicines being used. Personally havent had to deal with Ich in awhile due to treating my fish with ichx whenever I introduce new fish. I will redose the entire tank even if there are no symptoms. Catching it early is always better than later.
    Does the IchX affect your plants?
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geektom View Post
    Does the IchX affect your plants?
    Haven't seen it affect my plants in anyway. The heat will affect your plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kberg2498 View Post
    Haven't seen it affect my plants in anyway. The heat will affect your plants.
    I was worried about the heat, but they seem to all be doing fine- and I have it cranked up to 89 at the moment.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geektom View Post
    I was worried about the heat, but they seem to all be doing fine- and I have it cranked up to 89 at the moment.
    I said that, and then noticed today my mermaid weed has totally dissolved... shame, I really liked how frilly it was getting. Everything else seems in good shape, though.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Could try putting all the fish in another tank without plants or gravel while treating them. The ich in the planted tank will eventually die out without anything to use as a host.

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    If the ich isn't going away. Its most likely living in the substrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Could try putting all the fish in another tank without plants or gravel while treating them. The ich in the planted tank will eventually die out without anything to use as a host.

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    Interesting idea! I actually could have done that pretty easily. Dang.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    If the ich isn't going away. Its most likely living in the substrate.
    Well, technically Ich is pretty much always around, all the time- it is more about controlling the outbreak, but I know what you mean.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Good news- in some weird cosmic joke, as soon as I posted this, it started to get better. Today I saw no specks at all. Going to continue with my regimen for another week to be sure.

    I got some Ich-X as suggested, but I have been nervous to use it in the planted tank. I am keeping it for the QT tank, though.

    Thanks, everyone!
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    I have had some issues with ich in the past few months but I simply raised my temps to 85+ for a couple weeks and they sort themselves out.
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    So bummed.

    Just as the tank is finally ready for the apisto pair to get moved over, the male kills himself by getting lodged between the pre-filter sponge and the inlet. Dang. He was so beautiful, too.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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