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    Emersed Project

    What you see in the pictures below is a small selection from almost every aquatic plant that I have. All plants are in their submerged form (except the bamboo), and planted in small cups with MiracleGrow Organic Potting Soil. There are holes in the bottom of each cup to allow the soil to stay wet, and the water level is kept below half of the cups. Lights are 2 clip on desk lamps with 23 watt 6500K CFL bulbs.
    My goal is to see which plants will transition well/best, grow well/best when emersed, and what their emersed form will look like when compared to submerged.
    There doesn't seem to be much information on growing aquatic plants emersed other than "you can grow pretty much anything emersed with enough humidity" or "yeah, you can do that in a dry start and it should work". We all know the tried and true plants to grow emersed; anubias, buces, s. repens, a.r. mini, and pretty much all carpet plants....but what about the rest? Crypts for example, some people say they grow very well emersed while others will tell you they will just die off. I'm going to put quite a few plants to the test to find out.
    I have a pretty decent list of plants going and a few more will be added in the next couple of days. Hopefully from this I'll be able to make up a list of plants that will grow very nice above the water. With the increasing popularity of Paludariums lately it would be a useful resource.
    Plant Species:
    Alternanthera Reineckii 'Lilacina'
    Alternanthera Reineckii Mini
    Alternanthera Reineckii Mini 'Vareigated'
    Anubias Nana
    Anubias Nana 'Variegated'
    Anubias Nana 'Petite'
    Bamboo "unknown"
    Blyxa Japonica
    Bucephelandra Arrogant Blue
    Bucephelandra Brownie Phantom
    Bucephelandra Firebird
    Bucephelandra Dark Skeleton King
    Bucephelandra Lamandau
    Bucephelandra Wavy Green
    Crypt Flamingo
    Crypt Wendtii Green
    Fissidens Fontanus
    Glossostigma Elatinoides
    Hydrocotyle Tripartita Japan
    Hygrophila Polysperma Sunset
    Java Moss
    Large Duckweed
    Limnophila Aromatica
    Limnophila Aromatica 'Mini'
    Limnophila Rugosa
    Ludwigia Repens
    Ludwigia Repens 'Super Red'
    Ludwigia White
    Mini Xmas Moss
    Rotala Bonsai
    Rotala Enie
    Rotala H'ra
    Rotala Mini Butterfly
    Rotala Mini 'Type 2'
    Rotala Rotundifolia
    Rotala Vietnam
    Rotala Wallichii
    Pogostemon Erectus
    Pogostemon Kimberly
    Salvinia Minima
    Salvinia Cuculata
    Spiral Chain Sword
    Spikey Moss
    Staurogyne Porto Velho
    Staurogyne Purple
    Staurogyne Repens
    Taiwan Moss
    Tropical Moss Mix (from Petco)
    Utricularia Graminifolia
    If anyone would like to donate a plant/s to the project that would be greatly appreciated. Not much is needed, 2-3 small stems or cuttings and a picture of what the plant/s look like in their submerged form (before pic) in your tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kole85 View Post
    What you see in the pictures below is a small selection from almost every aquatic plant that I have. All plants are in their submerged form (except the bamboo), and planted in small cups with MiracleGrow Organic Potting Soil. There are holes in the bottom of each cup to allow the soil to stay wet, and the water level is kept below half of the cups. Lights are 2 clip on desk lamps with 23 watt 6500K CFL bulbs.
    My goal is to see which plants will transition well/best, grow well/best when emersed, and what their emersed form will look like when compared to submerged.
    There doesn't seem to be much information on growing aquatic plants emersed other than "you can grow pretty much anything emersed with enough humidity" or "yeah, you can do that in a dry start and it should work". We all know the tried and true plants to grow emersed; anubias, buces, s. repens, a.r. mini, and pretty much all carpet plants....but what about the rest? Crypts for example, some people say they grow very well emersed while others will tell you they will just die off. I'm going to put quite a few plants to the test to find out.
    I have a pretty decent list of plants going and a few more will be added in the next couple of days. Hopefully from this I'll be able to make up a list of plants that will grow very nice above the water. With the increasing popularity of Paludariums lately it would be a useful resource.
    Plant Species:
    Alternanthera Reineckii 'Lilacina'
    Alternanthera Reineckii Mini
    Alternanthera Reineckii Mini 'Vareigated'
    Anubias Nana
    Anubias Nana 'Variegated'
    Anubias Nana 'Petite'
    Bamboo "unknown"
    Blyxa Japonica
    Bucephelandra "misc. types"
    Crypt Flamingo
    Crypt Wendtii Green
    Fissidens Fontanus
    Glossostigma Elatinoides
    Hydrocotyle Tripartita Japan
    Java Moss
    Limnophila Aromatica
    Limnophila Aromatica 'Mini'
    Ludwigia Repens
    Ludwigia Repens 'Super Red'
    Mini Xmas Moss
    Rotala Bonsai
    Rotala Enie
    Rotala H'ra
    Rotala Mini Butterfly
    Rotala Rotundifolia
    Rotala Wallichii
    Pogostemon Erectus
    Pogostemon Kimberly
    Spiral Chain Sword
    Staurogyne Porto Velho
    Staurogyne Purple
    Staurogyne Repens
    If anyone would like to donate a plant/s to the project that would be greatly appreciated. Not much is needed, 2-3 small stems or cuttings and a picture of what the plant/s look like in their submerged form (before pic) in your tank.

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    Great idea, Kole!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geektom View Post
    Great idea, Kole!
    Thanks Tom. I got some more plants from Carlo that I'm going to put in The Dutch, going to take a few trimmings and put them in there too since his plants are usually the harder to find species. Just gotta make room in the Dutch and play Name This Plant with Carlo via text, lol.

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    Nice collection.

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    Thanks for this thread Kole. have you tried reacclimating any of the plants to submersed forms after this, and if so did they melt or transition easily?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormvisions View Post
    Thanks for this thread Kole. have you tried reacclimating any of the plants to submersed forms after this, and if so did they melt or transition easily?
    Not any of these currently I haven't, but I've been doing this for like 8 months whenever I want to grow something out fast. This is the first time I have done it to this degree though. I've never had problems in the past when getting them to transition. These plants are still transitioning to emersed.
    I'm going to do an update this evening, I've added some plants and rearranged things. I can tell you the plants that are doing very well right now growing emersed: Limnophila Aromatica 'Mini' started sprouting emersed leaves in a day or two (very different leaf structure when emersed), the bucephelandra, the crypts, the Ludwigia Super Red, the H. Japan, the bamboo, the Stauryogen species, the Alternanthera species. Those are growing very nicely. Everything else is going good still, the only plant I have had show signs of melt during the transition was the spiral chain sword but it seems to be bouncing back.


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    You've peaked my interest. I'm going to try some. I have water sprite, anubias nana, a couple of crypts, ludwiga and tiny bits of other stuff (should have documented all the names when I got these). I'll set some up tonight. Thanks.

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    2 Week Update (Updated original post with plants I have added)
    Went and got some better containers to make things look nicer and helps with organization, plus there's room for more plants.

    The majority of the plants are doing really well and all the containers are holding their moisture very well, I only have to mist once a day and let new air in. The Blyxa Japonica and the Spiral Chain Sword seem to be the most affected by the transition, the blyxa the most. The Spiral Chain Sword is bouncing back though.




    The Limnophila Aromatica 'Mini' has been growing very well (was able to trim and replant the new emersed growth)and has a much broader leaf structure and dark green/purple color.

    The Crypt Flaming has also been doing well and has an interesting color on the emersed leaves, lighter green on the outside and gets darker towards the center vein.


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    I seperated the Buce into their own containers, I still have more types but have yet to propagate to be able to add them. The Bucephelandra seem to be loving the emersed setup, although the Wavy Green has had some melt in the transition. The Brownie Phantom and Arrogant Blue have REALLY colored up. The Firebird is still sprouting it's first emersed leaf. The Dark Skeleton King has yet to sprout a new leaf since being in the emersed setup, but the color on the submersed leaves has darkened quite a bit and the veins have become much more pronounced.



    The Stauryogen Purple and Velho are growing nicely emersed, I figured they would with how easy S. Repens grows emersed. The A.R. Mini Variegated has lost some of the color variation in it's veins during the transition and is looking similar to the normal A.R. Mini, will be interesting to see if it stays like this further into the transition.

    The Mini Xmas Moss I blended with water and 'painted' on this decorative cave took about a week for new growth to show but now is growing very nicely. Hopefully it fills to cover the top half of the cave (future vampire crab-itat).

    The U.G. I have growing emersed is in my 20g Long Iwagumi dry start and is growing pretty decent, slow to spread but it's coming along. Been almost a month since I planted it.

    I went to Petco about a week ago and found a 'Live Tropical Moss Mix' for terrariums. The stuff looked pretty dead but it was only $4 so I grabbed it. Took half of it and blended it up with water and ferts and spread on the 10g paludarium background I'm doing. I put some potting soil on the bottom of the container it came in, put the other half back in, put it in the back of the rack for low light and it is showing some very nice growth. The label said it was a mix of mosses and ferns, I definitely see java moss in there lol.

    Each of the containers has floating plants to help keep the water from becoming stagnant. Theres some Salvinia Minima, Salvinia Cuculata, and Large Duckweed in there, they're growing alright right now. The Anubias' are doing nicely and sprouting new growth faster than when submersed, but they usually do when emersed. Close up shots of those aren't really needed yet.
    A big thanks to @Zenzu for hooking me up with a decent amount of some rarer plants for The Dutch. He gave me so much that I had leftovers to add to the project. Looking forward to seeing how the Ludwigia White and Rotala Mini Type 2 handle it.
    Will do another update in a week or two.


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    This thread is constructed entirely of awesomeness.
    I am an old dog trying to learn some new tricks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by geektom View Post
    This thread is constructed entirely of awesomeness.
    Thanks Tom. I'm enjoying the project and watching the plants grow and transition.

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    Its been a little while since I have updated so I'll do a quick update on this projects progress.
    I took out all of the rotala's, the ludwigia's, the blyxa, the pogo's, the crypt flamingo, and the limno rugosa. They weren't doing well. Growth was stunted, stems were small and weak, and some just melted away.
    The buce dark skeleton king is all but gone, I have a small rhizome growing back. I would not classify this plant as FULLY aquatic. When put into water the emersed growth melts and the rhizome doesn't really grow anything new. When putting an almost dead rhizome into an emersed environment it definitely grows better.
    The plants that are really interesting are the Staurogyne Purple, Staurogyne Porto Velho, A.R. Mini, Lindernia Rotundifolia, and Limnophila Aromatica (both normal and mini). The Lindernia, Staurogyne's and A.R. Mini grow MUCH bigger when emersed. They are in a 10g tank and are reaching the top. The A.R. Mini is actually growing taller and wider than the A.R. Lilacina. These plants do great when grown emersed or fully aquatic, they would even make a great addition to the land sections in a vivarium/paludarium.
    The Limnophila Aromatica's have completely changed leaf shape and color, the mini still representing a smaller version of the larger. Leaves have a fatter, rounder shape and are a lighter green with darker green tones. These plants do great when grown emersed or fully aquatic, they would even make a great addition to the land sections in a vivarium/paludarium.
    The Java Moss grows very different when emersed as well. It grows similar to a terrestrial moss, dense and compact.
    The Fissidens Fontanus I am torn on. It doesn't really seem to be growing, rather just surviving. Fissidens is a notoriously slow grower so it might just be that, time will tell. The tiny amounts of new growth do look different than when grown aquatic, seems to be more of a brownish earth tone moss.
    The floaters all do well with no water movement and have prevented the water from becoming stagnant and smelly, the water that is in there is the same water that was put in when this was all set up! Water is very clear under the floaters and barely even tannin stained from the soil. I have not done any tests to see what the nitrogen and ammonia is, but this definitely shows an example of how well floaters work when it comes to water quality. Perhaps a water test would be appropriate in the near future.
    The other plants are doing well, but they were expected to do well. Anubias, buce, crypt wendtii, hydrocotle, hygro sunset, etc. All grow well either emersed or aquatic and dont really show any noticeable change in appearance.
    This has turned out to be a pretty cool project. The plants have acclimated so well to being emersed that there are times where I go several days without misting them. They create their own humidity and have pretty much begun to take care of themselves like a little ecosphere, especially the ones in the 10g tank.

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    Such a great thread- thanks for the update!
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    So yesterday was the update, Today is the UPGRADE lol. Thanks to thegenerosity of @Aquaman I now have this AWESOME acrylic display case, thank you so much man.
    I knew immediately how I would use it and started working it out. I got some weather stripping foam for the rim of the door frame (there was about a 3/8" gap all the way around), covered four small holes that were in the bottom for wheels, put it on its back, and slid it into place on the lower shelf of my Edsal Rack.
    I used plastic egg crate to cover the bottom so nothing scratches the acrylic, I might want to repurpose this for a terrarium later on so that side might not always be the bottom.
    I like how the shelves turn it into 4 seperate compartments when it sits on its back, makes it easier to organize. There is also so much more room in this, I was able to fit everything in. The far left is going to be used to for some terrestrial plants I have being delivered next week, some Neoregelia Bromeliads (Fireball, Winnie the Pooh, Red Waif), and some Star Moss.
    The 2nd from the left I am using for mosses on lava rocks and a piece of driftwood. Theres the Mini Xmas, Taiwan, Spikey, Fissidens Fontanus, and Java Moss in there. The pieces with the Java moss I just seeded with chopped up moss, they will most likely go into the vivarium I am building. Best to start them now lol.
    The two right compartments are being used for the rest of the aquatic plants in the project. I trimmed them up some and planted some of the trims into the cups to make them even bushier. I also used some zip ties to see if I can begin to train some of the plants to grow more vertical before branching out. Some of them can get quite leggy. They're in no particular order, I know which is which and put them in there based on how they grow so they get the best light. I also added in some U.G. which is done slightly different than the rest. There is organic peat/sphagnum moss soil covered with a light layer of sand, everything I have read says that U.G. likes an acidic substrate so we shall see. I put in a Rhizome of Anubias Nana 'Pinto' as well.
    I also took some better pictures of the Limnophila Aromatica's, the pictures from yesterday were crowded so you couldn't really see what I was talking about.
    Limnophila Aromatica 'Mini'. The leaf structure is SO different. The leaves now grow in very distinct groups of 3, and are a light vibrant green on the outside and a darker green towards the center. Very pretty.
    Limnophila Aromatica. This one was stuck between the Staurogyne Purple and the Lindernia Rotundifolia so it wasnt getting much light, those two plants are monsters when emersed! I'll take a picture of it again in a couple of weeks now that it has room for more light and grows better. Even though its not at its best you can still get a good idea of how it looks. As you can see, this and the Mini look pretty much the same besides the size. The leaves grow in sets of 3 and have the same colors.
    I think this looks amazing and I am loving this emersed project even more now. I might be adding in some Hygrophila Pinatifida.

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    So awesome!

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    Careful all that hunching over to trim is gonna aggravate your back! Everything looks fantastic Kole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenzu View Post
    Careful all that hunching over to trim is gonna aggravate your back! Everything looks fantastic Kole.
    Tell me about it, good thing its on the bottom of the rack and I have a chair lol. I do hate how long it takes me to do anything because of my back, it took me all day long with help just to get this together. This time last year I could clean up 11 tanks with water changes and trims in about 4 hours. Slow and steady sucks! Hahaha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by regormang View Post
    So awesome!

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    This project is very cool. Some great plants there.

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    Kole... your project is outstanding... absolutely no offense to buceplant or substrate source, but if you heavy hitting scape members would ever consider getting together a collective aquatic plant shop online - you’d be dangerous! The knowledge and generosity of this club can’t be beat... great thread!

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