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    Dry Start question

    I want to dry start some baby tear with dirt is that possible. Or is dry start only with pellet or ADA soil


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    Anything is possible if you try hard enough and throw enough money at it.

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    You can dsm with any substrate. Dirt can be a great substrate, but be gentle with your flow, and i recommend cooking it in a disposable lasagna pan for about half an hour at300 before popping it it your tank (that is, if you choose to grab it from your garden or backyard, and not just fresh out of a retail bag).

    Just keep it moist and sealed up at the top with saran wrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbela View Post
    I want to dry start some baby tear with dirt is that possible. Or is dry start only with pellet or ADA soil


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    One question, though. Are you using tissue cultured /live dbt, or are you using the dbt "seeds?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbela View Post
    I want to dry start some baby tear with dirt is that possible. Or is dry start only with pellet or ADA soil


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    I'd use organic potting soil if I were trying this. Of course I'd cover the potting soil with some type of gravel.The potting soil has more nutrients for the baby tears. I did do a small tank like this and it worked well. A little soil leaked through but not enough to mess up the water. Good luck. Hope to see pics of the progress.

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    As far as im into this planted tank hobbies, plant need nutrients.

    Not all ADA soil contains enough nutrients, amazonia does comes with a lot of nutrients for planted tank.

    It doesnt necessary you need to go with Amazonia soil to start a nice tank ,sometimes budget might be an issue for most of us.

    What do you need is a nutrient inside your substrate, to trick this most of us use root tab some use ferts and spray it on top of substrate.

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    ADA has limited nutrients. It contains a buffering agent (Humic) and low levels of N,P,K, mg, fe and mn. Garden Soil contains far more nutrients and is the preferred choice for plants(if plants were able to choose) however it is not ideal in use for aquariums and requires a subtrate to cap it with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenzu View Post
    ADA has limited nutrients. It contains a buffering agent (Humic) and low levels of N,P,K, mg, fe and mn. Garden Soil contains far more nutrients and is the preferred choice for plants(if plants were able to choose) however it is not ideal in use for aquariums and requires a subtrate to cap it with.

    Garden/potted soil work great, like walstad method. Unfortunately not a great option for dry start method as the root need to be established to reach the soil. Unless you are using rooted plant.

    For the best result and faster growth, You still need to add nutrients on the capped substrate for doing dry start method (carpet plant).

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    What has also been left out about amazonia is that it is mostly just a topper for the power sand blocks.

    While dbt works great as a water carpet, it is also popular in general gardening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dealend View Post
    Garden/potted soil work great, like walstad method. Unfortunately not a great option for dry start method as the root need to be established to reach the soil. Unless you are using rooted plant.

    For the best result and faster growth, You still need to add nutrients on the capped substrate for doing dry start method (carpet plant).
    You can DSM in inert sand. Dose nutrients to the water just like you do in your tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenzu View Post
    You can DSM in inert sand. Dose nutrients to the water just like you do in your tank.
    Thats what i said,lol... you still need nutrients to start DSM.

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