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    Overdue 20 Gallon

    Hi all,

    After asking a multitude of question on this forum and high tech planted a group of FB, I present my attempt at getting back into the hobby.I'm a student at UCLA and this tank has to be easy to maintian. The primary purpose wasn't to "scape" as much as it was to experiment and keep plants that I like alive lol

    Tank: UNS rimless tank roughly 20 gallons
    Co2: 10 gallon pressurized, Inline atomizer by up aqua and a $100 horticulture Co2 regulator ( might upgrade in the future).
    Light: Twinstar S-Series Planted 24" with a inline dimmer bought from European store called aquarium gardens UK
    Stand: God bless IKEA with a 2x4 modification to keep it stable.
    Filter: Fluval 306 with lily pipes
    Heater: Hydor inline 24 watt
    Soil: ADA Amazonia
    Nutrients: Thrive .. I want to start EI in the future but didn't have time to properly research
    Plants: TC Altern. Reickni Mini, UG . Aquatic: Super red, Monte Carlo, an unkown and java fern.

    Here is a crappy iPhone pics but hopefully better pics to come:

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    Nice looking 60P. You're off to a great start!

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    Looking good, looking forward to seeing plants fill in more.

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    Looks like a great start. I'm curious about that stand: do you have a link for it, and what mods did you make?

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    Heck of a start...great looking setup!

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    Also a UCLA student - Great college tank!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barliman View Post
    Looks like a great start. I'm curious about that stand: do you have a link for it, and what mods did you make?
    I got it from IKEA and I can't remember the name and tried looking for it. The "mod" I made was taking a 2x3 piece of wood and attaching it in the back diagonally to prevent the stand from shaking side to side like it was when I filled it up with water.

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    An awesome meeting yesterday and it was a pleasure meeting all of you. My girl enjoyed it too. Special shout out to @cole85 and @Zenzu for your help, it was much appreciated.

    I added some pogo, downoi and a red brownie bucephalandra. I added crystal blue shrimp and some pumpkins. Did a temporary mod of putting pantyhose over the intake to prevent the little guys from getting sucked up.

    Cole literally gave me a rundown of how to keep shrimp in about 10 min so that definitely saved me a lot of time for research Your shrimp are looking really good man !!!!!

    I turned the LED down a bit about 4 clicks because I was starting to see some signs of diatoms and gree spot algae of the glass.

    TDS: 120
    PH:6.7
    GH: 6
    KH:4
    Ammonia: 0.25 ( i think its from the tissue cultured leaves dying and changing into submersed form).
    Nitrare:0
    Bubbles per second: 5
    Temp: 73


    Questions:
    1) Can I keep using the Pantyhose?
    2) Is it normal that most the aquatic plants that I am planting have good new growth BUT the old leaves usually begin to die off?
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    Just be mindful of how much you dim your led. Lack of light can cause more issues than excess in a lot of cases.

    Yes you can use pantyhose long term, but it is easily clogged. A better solution is a ss mesh strainer inflow. You can find em at most scape stores as well as amazon.

    Yes, it's normal to see some older leaves drop when stems are newly planted. It's important to cut + net/siphon out the older leaves as you see them (odly shaped, discolored, deficient, damaged, dying, melted etc.) they will be magnets for algae if you let them settle and decay in your tank.

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    Any recommendations o shrimp food, I tried algae wafers but they aren't eating them...

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    They like Repashy in my experience.

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    I like to buy small samples from places like Han Aquatics to see what my shrimp like. He usually sells them for like $1.50.

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    Try the Shrimp King Sample pack, that should last you quite a while and has like 4 different foods.

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    This sounds like your tank is providing enough for them to eat and they don't need added food to supplement their diet right now, or it could be a sign that your shrimp are not doing so well. Are they acting normal peacefully grazing and being active in the tank?

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    So the majority of the shrimp died with some left in the tank, the reason being that the timer somehow got switched to on completely for the co2. By the time I noticed we had a couple of gonners but luckily a pregnant female survived so finger crossed. I thought it was due to me not feeding them. Also dont have fish so there is no leftover fish food


    One more question ( they'll never stop lol): Why is there algae growing specifically on the old leaves and not the new growth???? Can algae grow from too much co2 or is it only usually a high light thing? I know algae can be caused from a variety of problems but I have come to learn it usually has something to do with excess light. Current light is on for 7 hours, LED twinstar full brightness.

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    Figured something was up... shrimp are omnivores. Anything that falls into the shrimp tank they immediately start picking at it. Could be food, could be a rock, could be a bird feather. So it seems unliley that they would not go for a food source that is introduced.

    Algae on older leaves could mean algae was on the plants prior to planting them in your tank. Algae will spread, from old leaves to new if left untreated. There are many ways to treat. Chemical, manual removal, blackout etc. Blackout is best on established tanks with healthy plants, but algae issues. If you try blacking out on a new tank with new plants you may have issues with die off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenzu View Post
    Figured something was up... shrimp are omnivores. Anything that falls into the shrimp tank they immediately start picking at it. Could be food, could be a rock, could be a bird feather. So it seems unliley that they would not go for a food source that is introduced.

    Algae on older leaves could mean algae was on the plants prior to planting them in your tank. Algae will spread, from old leaves to new if left untreated. There are many ways to treat. Chemical, manual removal, blackout etc. Blackout is best on established tanks with healthy plants, but algae issues. If you try blacking out on a new tank with new plants you may have issues with die off.
    How long would you recommend the black out for? It looks almost like light brown hair algae. I remember excel was an option but black out sounds better.
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    So I did a two-day blackout without any success. It looks like thread algae. Any recommendations ???? Excel???

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