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    SW reef clubs/SCRAPE

    So, I hope the idea itself won't step on any toes, but I am interested in the idea of a SCAPE daughter club called SCRAPE. (Southern California Reef Aquatic Polyp Enthusiasts).

    I love our organization, its active membership and its successful use of monthly meetings that continues to help drive this community forward. It is a phenomenal example for what volunteer communities are capable of within a non-competing enthusiasts group where everyone who participates receives benefits from.

    For those who are familiar with such clubs in Southern California that exist within the reef side of aquatics, might be aware that such a club truly does not exist with as diverse, continuously active or in wide area as SCAPE.

    The clubs that exist are mostly small chapters within the socalireefs.com site (Premier Reefs) and end up encompassing very small groups within Inland Empire, OC and LA counties exclusively.

    Ironically, these groups have participation within each from members who go to eachother's meetings at their different Friday of each month.

    In addition to making a difficult day and time to meet each month and meeting at Restaurants (totally missed opportunity for the hobby), these clubs do not want to change their ways despite very low member attendance at each meeting!

    I am at a constant throttle in desiring innovation and optimization, and would love to take the SCAPE model to the Reef community in a way that would help remove misconceptions about its difficulty and costs, and help it in a way where more people can participate for a greater good of the hobby.

    All revolutions start out small, and I am, at this point, most interested in finding out which members currently have REEF tanks in addition to their FW tanks.

    If you are reluctant about joining, I want to stress that this is the opposite idea of a hostile takeover. If anything, I am hoping to get all these small chapter clubs into a single unit, first, by bringing in participants from SCAPE who also reef and allow all these other clubs to see how much more can occur within a club with a well designed framework.

    Please, If you currently reef, add your name to this thread so that I can get a good idea of who would be interested in another, possibly adjacent to SCAPE community that would also meet monthly to auction SW related items such as:

    Live Foods
    Coral Frags
    Livestock
    Live Rock
    Dry Goods
    Etc


    *Mods - if this post is innappropriate, please close/delete the thread and PM me.

    Thank you for your participation in this thread!

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    I would be interested!

    The only Reefer club I know in SoCal is on facebook, but it would be great there was something like SCAPE for saltwater tanks. I was really looking forward to the Marine Aquarium Expo in OC but saw that it has been postponed for a year.

    Interested in coral frags, livestock, and live rock.

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    The Southern California sub forum on Reef Central is a pretty solid group of people as are the folks on SCR. The big problem is that Southern California encompasses a lot of real estate so that's why there are several clubs to accommodate the different geographical regions. The issue that I've noticed is that these clubs require a lot of time and effort on the part of the respective organizing teams and it's often a thankless job. New board members dive in with lots of energy only to fizzle off when all the time and effort they put into it are met with mediocre to little enthusiasm. One thing I did notice is that SCAPE charges a fee to attend meetings. I was initially turned off by this as all the regional reef clubs welcome anyone to attend with open arms. Now I'm wondering if the admission fee is a factor in keeping the club meetings more serious and focused?? Kudos to all the members of SCAPE for keeping the club alive and thriving.

    http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50

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    I like the idea in that this could be a good opportunity to bridge both FW and reef enthusiasts. Tony_nano_reefer on SCR

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    I say if this is something you want to do then go for it.

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    That sounds cool, since I am thinking of specializing in saltwater grass planted aquariums with seahorses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDiamondShrimp View Post
    That sounds cool, since I am thinking of specializing in saltwater grass planted aquariums with seahorses.
    Good luck work that. It's a bit harder than some people think apparently. Let me know when you try it so I can follow along
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaker73 View Post
    Good luck work that. It's a bit harder than some people think apparently. Let me know when you try it so I can follow along
    It really, really, is not that difficult.

    I started with the sea grasses. They are easier than SPS and so not require skimming, sumping, refuging, etc. In fact, because they handle nutrient export at a rate that is preferred for their particular biotope (estuary, lagoon), they do better with filtration done inside a canister, where you can keep a nitrate factory.

    They make the best conditions for raising sea horses.

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    I think he was referring to the difficulty that SeaHorse can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Shades View Post
    It really, really, is not that difficult.

    I started with the sea grasses. They are easier than SPS and so not require skimming, sumping, refuging, etc. In fact, because they handle nutrient export at a rate that is preferred for their particular biotope (estuary, lagoon), they do better with filtration done inside a canister, where you can keep a nitrate factory.

    They make the best conditions for raising sea horses.
    Quote Originally Posted by swoof View Post
    I think he was referring to the difficulty that SeaHorse can be.
    I actually heard that they are a bit difficult to keep for any length of time as well as how difficult sea horses can be to keep. Most threads I've seen on various sites note how easy sea grass tanks are to start but eventually crash due to one reason or another. I guess its the same with a FW planted tank.
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    After years of meditating on creating a seagrass bed aquarium with Seahorses as my last planted tank project, I decided yesterday I'm just gonna stick to FW planted tanks w minimal maintenance. So in substitute of seahorse grassbed SW tank I'm going to do a FW grass blade only plant species variety tank like 60gal with a couple of FW pipefish breeding pairs. Sounds like a good seahorse tank substitute.

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    Re: seagrass longevity:

    They have a tendency to melt a couple weeks into being introduced to a new tank, similar to cryptocoryne. But they grow back in the same spot a couple of weeks later.

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    I love macroalgae setups. I used to have a small one, 2 gallons which housed some macroalgae and a pair of pistol shrimp and goby. It was easy to care for and fun to look at. The only thing to pay attend for is every once in awhile, those macroalgae will go asexual will effect the tank water. You MUST take action and change water asap or else everything else will die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyhow, here are some old photos of the setup.




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    That's really cool.

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    Old thread but I'm a reefer/ex scaper lol

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    Adding my name to this thread so you can get a good idea of who is interested

    Samuel (SamSam563)

    I do not currently reef but I am getting into it. I am ordering a 300g tank and getting Peter at CK Aquarium to set up the live rocks/sand, lighting and sump
    Shud be set up in about 2 weeks

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    You're gonna be in trouble Sammy!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SamSam563 View Post
    Adding my name to this thread so you can get a good idea of who is interested

    Samuel (SamSam563)

    I do not currently reef but I am getting into it. I am ordering a 300g tank and getting Peter at CK Aquarium to set up the live rocks/sand, lighting and sump
    Shud be set up in about 2 weeks

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    Uh oh, the master is here.
    Quote Originally Posted by djrice69 View Post
    Old thread but I'm a reefer/ex scaper lol

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    How much is he charging you to set it up?

    Nothing against Peter, but setting it up yourself and/or having someone in club do it with you could provide your with an easier channel for teachin yourself the systems. (it is not hard)

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    Setup and delivery was free. I normally charge quite abit for my time as I take my workers with me but Sam and his dad has always been cool. I actually introduced Sam to this club

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